Sun-gria

A in depth review on this fragrance consisting of the actual scent the feel of the fragrance the performance comparison and conclusion. This scent really has so much notes and somehow you could smell a hint of every single one of them. Honestly its a 50/50 on whether the fragrance is loyal to the note breakdown because it follows a weird transformation but in a good way that could not prepare you from smelling when compared to the notes but somehow you can smell each of the notes. The fragrance after the first sprays you smell absolutely nothing because of how much scent it radiates almost a olfactory shock but then the opening follows a scent of a beautiful fall night market in italy smelling candied and fresh fruits from most of the fruits in the fragrance and a fresh breeze of orangey/grapey scent. Somehow for the first quarter of the fragrance after the harsh lovable sweetness opening it sticks to this almost fresh candied fruits that you could distinguish photorealistic fresh fruits ripe but not overiped almost sprakly and "greeny" but not in the aromatic way very unique a slight boozy sweetness as well but not distinguishable. After 70% of the fragrance life it settles to this red candied fruit smell mixed with a slight spicy smoky vanilla realistic bubblegummy scent that is so beautiful slight musk but not overbearring. For the pre-during skin scent it sticks to a vanilla base a nice way to end the scent. The performance is beautiful for this fragrance after the scent breakdown I just stated you might think this will be the most thick syrupy falll-winter fragrance but no somehow Lorenzo in his fruit notes keeps it mildy sweet on the edge of too crazy and I want more I can't describe of how uniquely sweet it is making it a versatile fragrance despite the fragrance composition. This means that this fragrance is the perfect spring-fall fragrance on a chilly night the performance it gives is just WOW projects super strong around like a 4-5 feet radius at the 1-4 hour mark then seat's closely to a 2 feet radius around the 4-7 hour mark then seats closely at a feet projection for 7-9 hours and a elbows lenght of projection for 10-11 at the end of the fragrance life at hour 13 it becomes a sweet vanilla skin scent and sticks to the skin until the next day as a intimate skin scent with a 2 inch projection. This fragrance is the best fruity fragrance I have smelt and probably will ever smell no amount of words could describe the subtle transition to a mild addition of notes throughout the fragrance versatile masterpiece a sickly sweet scent that you somehow want more sweetness meaning it's not too sweet and never too sweet for anybody. Keeps a perfect unisex scent as if the fruits is more fresher and candied something like in pacific chill, pax, maraschino, triumph of bacchus and or dom rosa which they have a distinct fruity freshness yet adapts to the vibe of the scent. For comparison this is not a synthetic fragrance that smells like body wash or shampoo it's so realistic. I own both 28mL and 50mL and definitely a 1-3 sprayer like my hard candy elixir, blue talisman exdp, and radical rose exdp. It's my number 2 fragrance just behind Contralto/Vibrato/Rouge Trafalgar exdp and behind it is guidance 46, smoking hot, la colle noir, pacific chill, unknown pleasures, tears and my love has the color of the night. Worth 90-140 dollar range since you get quality and performance meaning you wont do too much sprays lasting the bottle for quite a while. If I had to describe this fragrance in one word it would be euphoria or addictive.

Sun-Gria is my first Lorenzo Pazzaglia, and what an introduction to the brand it is. I’ve read countless reviews about the house’s intense power, so I had some expectations—yet nothing prepared me for this. It’s a TRUE DETONATION, an olfactory bomb. The only other brand that compares in sheer strength is Aaron Terence Hughes IMHO; beyond that, I’ve never experienced anything this potent and I own over 100 frags, some of them quite strong! Just half a spray on my wrist—at the office, damn—and I was completely overwhelmed (my poor colleagues too, I guess). Thankfully, I love bold fragrances, so it was more fascination than regret. But damn, even if I often use the term “room-filler”, I now realize THIS is that and I guess the sillage as well is world class. Will people around me love it or hate it? That’s still a mystery (the colleagues didn’t say a word so far but I’m trying not to move my hand to much, just in case hehehe). But I like it. And for now, that’s enough. The official note pyramid lists a vast array of ingredients—so many that it’s genuinely hard to pin down what dominates. I guess the “red notes” seem to dominate the experience: raspberry, red wine, and blood orange mix together in a super sweet, sugary and intense combo. I also thing I smell the peach, giving softness in the mix too, adding a rounder, juicier texture. It’s sugary, intensely sweet, and again—NUCLEAR. One thing I appreciate: the structure doesn’t seem to shift too dramatically over time. It settles gradually, but without a dramatic transformation. The evolution is minimal and it keeps its identity well into the dry down. I’m planning to take Sun-Gria with me on my upcoming summer holiday in Puglia. I do wonder whether it’ll be too much under extreme heat—its almost syrupy quality (not exactly molasses, but close) that could feel overwhelming in 40°C. Still, it’s coming with me. We’ll see how it behaves under the southern sun. One last word on the packaging: Pazzaglia delivers in this field as well. Although the box is made of cardboard, it feels solid, dense, and refined to the touch. The fragrance is held securely inside. The bottle itself is simple in shape (nothing negative here)—visually striking thanks to the colorful label, and reassuringly heavy in the hand (I love 50ml format in this sense: not too big, nor too small). I particularly love the cap: it's incredibly weighty and well-crafted, a detail that often signals a serious commitment to quality. The atomizer performs above industry average (great). My only personal gripe—common across many brands—is the opaque bottle, which doesn’t allow you to see how much juice remains (I can live with that).

#11MFJ Sun-gria by Lorenzo Pazzaglia ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ | Longevity: beast mode | Sillage: full-on Picked up a sample of this out of curiosity. I honestly wasn’t expecting much. But wow... I was not ready. This hit me like a Mediterranean sunset in a bottle. Mind blown. Not gonna lie, I’m properly obsessed now. This is big summer energy. Fruity, boozy, rich—but somehow still wearable and smooth. Easily one of the boldest, most addictive fruity summer frags I’ve tried. And I’ve tried a fair few. It opens with a proper juicy blood orange—zesty, a bit bitter, like you’ve just torn into it. No synthetic fizz here. Then the rum hits, and suddenly you're not just wearing a fragrance, you're lounging at a villa on the Amalfi coast, drink in hand, golden light bouncing off the sea. That’s the vibe this gives. Boozy, juicy, sun-drenched and somehow just effortlessly cool. The coconut milk smooths things out nicely, adds a creamy touch without going full-on gourmand. Then the base kicks in—ambergris, sandalwood, maybe even a hint of salted caramel? On my skin, there’s this sweet smokiness that starts to show up around the 5-hour mark—unexpected but weirdly addictive. Didn’t think I’d be into it, but it adds a sultry, skin-warmed depth that totally works. And yeah, performance is wild. This stuff is nuclear. Full room filler, easily 10–12 hours, and I still get whiffs the next day. For a summer scent? That’s rare. You could probably smell this across a football pitch, no joke. What I love is that it’s fruity but not childish, boozy but not messy, loud but still wearable. Genderless, confident, lush. Makes me feel like I’m on holiday even when I’m trudging through the London commute. When to wear it: – Out on a summer evening – Holidays, obviously – Or when you just want to smell like one Avoid if: – You’re not into sweet or loud scents – You want something subtle or office-safe (this ain’t it) Similar vibes to: – Virgin Island Water (if it had more weight and lasted longer) – Soleil Blanc (minus the florals, plus more fruit and rum) – Lira (but orange sangria instead of lemon tart) Honestly? I think this one’s special. It’s got presence, personality, and performance to back it all up. Can’t stop sniffing my wrist. Might not be for everyone—but it’s definitely for me.

The name Sangria derives from the Spanish word "sangre," meaning blood, because of its deep red color. A drink that has existed since Ancient Roman times ( to "sweeten" wine ) it has since become internationally recognized as an emblem of wonderful Spain. Sun-gria, which also has the word sun in its name, is designed to portray the soul of Sangria itself: a fragrance that opens in a fresh and cheerful way, with citrus notes accompanying a juicy peach, and a central part that ... well to call it Caliente would be a pale euphemism: red wine, strawberry grapes, fruit, spices that enhance this symphony even more, in short, a scent that yes, wants to represent happy and lighthearted moments, but that has an innate sensuality that envelops in its sweetness. Live the happy moments, enjoy them and feel good, even with the simplest things. Drinking a glass of Sangria together and looking deeply at each other, keeping the memory of these moments in the heart. Beautiful. "Couple with a Head Full of Clouds" painted by Dali. Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

I love this fragrance, along with other scents from Lorenzo Pazzaglia that have the same vibe for me: Summer Hammer Speachless Extreme Passion They are all synthetic, but in this case, I don ́t mind at all, the synthetic nature isn ́t bothersome. I always wear them in the very hot summer days, during the day by the water, when I ́m wearing nothing but a swimsuit. And when I come out of the water, I refresh the scent 🌞🍉🍨🏄🏼🍹🛶⛱️🥵🌴🍺🌻 I wouldn ́t be able to decide which one I would choose if I had to pick just one from these. They always, without exception, put a smile on my face when I smell them or spray them on myself. In my opinion, they are unbeatable in their category and for the situations in which I use them. They are amazing, soooo joyful 😜😄🤪 10 of 10 for all of them 🔥💯🔥

Yum! When I smelt this I immediately wanted to go on holiday. It's the perfect scent for a summer night out somewhere exotic, where everyone is relaxed and just wants to have a good time. It opens with a burst of a deep, fruity sweetness, a bit like a fruit cocktail as some others reviewers have mentioned, but there is more to this than just being a basic sweet perfume. It has a complexity to it that keeps it really interesting. When I wear it I can't help but constantly sniff myself. The only slightly negative thing I can think of (if you can call it that) is that I can only imagine this being worn in very specific situations. It's not sophisticated or serious. To reference Friends, it's a 'Gandalf' fragrance. I feel like if I wear this, I will be guaranteed a good time.

idk what you expect from this, i expected something like in love with everything by imaginary authors with a hint of wine, it's note exactly like that. First of all i want to say that this thing is actually NUCLEAR, it lasted about a day on me. The scent tho is quite basic, imagine throwing up 3 pink bubblegums into your mouth at the same time, and since they're not chewed, the scent of them will be heavy, sun-gria generally smells like that. A scent that's super heavy on grapes and red fruits with a hint of red wine. As it's starting to fade you'll get a bit of brown sugary sweetnes too, but it's really tiny. If you want a nuclear, super zesty/fruity scent for the summer sun-gria is a must-look. 8.7/10

Such a beautiful, complex and unique fragrance! Fruity, but not à La Erba Pura. Unashamedly fruity with a spicy booziness but not in a trashy way. There is sweetness in here but it’s more of a supportive note to the fruits and spices. I have never really tasted Sangria though I have smelled it before and this is pretty close to the drink itself, I suppose. As far as longevity, it’s decent but not super long on my skin. I get a good 4-5 hours. It’s very fruity at first, then, it shifts to more spicy/sweet. There’s a woodsy/patchouli base that smells divine and a little naughty in the dry down, it’s lovely!! I absolutely love this one and will definitely get a full bottle once done with my decant!

Fragrance Journal Entry #134 There is soo much going on in this fragrance but the simplist way to describe this is "grape bubbletape", but not that synthetic smelling, i usually hate the smell of syrupy grape but in this i love it. Very invigorating stuff that technically works all year round but i tend to reserve it for transitional seasons (spring/fall), it's very strong so summer use can be a bit much. I don't reach for this a whole lot mostly because you have to be in a particular kind of mood to wear this, it's very niche and unique. There's nothing else out there quite like this. I think this perfectly rides the line of "unisex" and can be enjoyed by all. Rating: 8.9/10 Blind Buy Safe? NO

Finally found fruity fragrance that doesn't try to mimic Erba Pura's atrocious profile (Pazzaglia unfortunately already attempted this with Extreme Passion). This one gets my mouth to water. Smells the right amount synthetic but most notes—despite the sheer load of them—are actually distinguishable. It has that peculiar sour-sweet tang of wine and grapes, jamminess of berries, mellow sweetness of peach, and juiciness of citrus. This is a fruity fragrance done right. The spices are not super prominent but they are there, a spoonful in the background. Perfect summer fragrance, not at all cloying but light and fresh.

Another great release from Lorenzo! It opens up with this sweet-fruity somewhat citrusy note that blends up with the cinnamon and wine later on. It might feel like bubblegum to some, so I'd recommend to sample this one. For some it might feel synthetic but, for me, it brings a lot of memories from the past. Is it a good interpretation of the sangria? Yes, especially if you love the fruity fragrances. Regarding performance, it stays for 7-8 hours on my skin. The projection is really good, not like Arabians Tonka, of course, but strong enough to announce your presence. Completely unisex imo. Overall rating: 9.1/10

Explosion of fruity bubble gum specifically grape gum (like the gum tape that came on a roll, maybe a more North American reference). But if that’s all it was it would get boring pretty fast, there are some clean green accents, slight spices, and I can make out some sandalwood and cedar in the base after the fruit explosion tones down. It’s also not sickeningly sweet. The wine feels more like a cornucopia of wine gummies. It’s playful and juicy, but not juvenile. Looking forward to wearing this in the warmer months. True to the house it’s no slouch for performance either.

Sooooo much fun. I bought a full bottle after getting a sampler and I love to wear it out to baseball games or bar crawling with friends on summer nights. Smells like fruit, wine, and cinnamon. Lasts forever and a day with prodigious projection. When I got my bottle in the mail it was radiating out of the sealed bubble mailer before I even brought it inside. Like the other guy said though "olfactory orgasm" is a good phrase for this; the insane amount of notes listed here is accurate. NOT something you can wear every day or make a signature scent.

this is the first fragance i was introduced to the brand, at first i wasnt impressed about the bottle , looks like it was made from those fraghead influencers , then i tested the juice and oh god , i fell in love . unlike those fresh fragance that has sweet base, this one has sharp , sour sweet fruity base that is addictive eveytime i smell it. reminds me of virgin island water and aventus cologne during the opening but doesnt have that sweet drydown. this could be a perfect alternative for creed aventus cologne

I loveeee sun gria!! If I had to describe it using a few words, they would be happy, euphoric, and slightly psychedelic. It has such a soft sweetness underneath the fruity notes that works like magic on my skin! It’s like a happy hippie in a euphoric candy land lol! Perfect for warm summer nights outside. It lasts all day long on me as well, which I usually don’t notice with super fruity fragrances. I think that this is so well done, and truly uplifting. Delicious fragrance!

One of my favourite fruit salad-type scents. Sweet, juicy, but without that synthetic berry note (of which I’m not a huge fan), but also without the sour tropical note that makes me think of stomach acid (I think papaya/maracuya does that to me sadly). There is however something adorable, childlike and soft in this scent - some sort of bubblegum/almondy note, that makes this perfume quite unique. Also it’s very strong, but what else is new!

A delicious explosion of chilled fruits: A glass of sangria, a cold smoothie, freshly pureed frozen fruits, what have you. Orange and peach are the frontrunners, raspberry/blood orange, some underlying grapeness given a most faint dusting of spice. A light rose and pleasantly soft vanilla woods reveal themselves as it dries down. Strong projection for 3-4hr, longevity 10-12hr.

This smells so good. A rich and vibrant fruity opening (mix of various fruits) along with a delicious grape juice/wine accord (similar to a sweet dessert wine, such as Manischewitz Concord Grape wine) plus a bunch of other well blended notes that make it a unique fragrance. It literally smells like something you can drink so Sun-gria is the perfect name for it.

This perfume delights me! Grown-up fruity!! This is the malbec of the perfume world! Sexy!!! Flirtatious!! A little complicated but very worthwhile getting to know. Perfect for a summer night of dancing and wine! I will enjoy this in summer and autumn and long for it during the cooler months. Slàinte Mhath!

Sangria but less sour not so over the boozy, juicy, lovely fruity, and realistic bubblegummy scent, damn this is a room filler. Smells delicious and the drydown turns into a musky fruity scent. Longevity: 10 Sillage: 10 Scent: 10 Shoutout Cebu Fraghead PH specially Fragrance Nook for this one!!!

Smells like pomegranates and citrus to me, like if there were a pomegranate lemonade (with a little bit of booze). Strong, bright, and unapologetically loud. I don't really have anything else to add, it's just amazing fruity goodness and I intend to get a full bottle.

Don’t let the bottle design fool you, this is an absolutely beautiful fragrance. Back when I hadn’t tested Erba Pura, this is what I imagined it to be: a wonderful extremely fruity and exotic-esque scent which is long lasting and non-dominating. Wow, need this rn.

Amazing scent. A strong rose scent is accompanied by a blend of fruits that creates a bubble-gum-ish sweetness. These 2 components of the fragrance together and a few other subtle notes creates a strong sangria accord. Overall just a well balanced fragrance

This is absolutely amazing. Hands down, my favorite fragrance in my whole collection. One week after getting this, I already know this is going to be repurchased! Might not be blind buy worthy, buy it love this. Sample first, don't listen to me!

A fruity masterpiece. My sympathies go out to those who cannot appreciate such a treasure. The notes are spot on, longevity and projection are on point. This is an aromatic, fruity cocktail in a bottle. Makes me want to drink it. An easy 10.

This smell like hibiscus tea, (not hibiscus mahajad) that my mother used to make. I really like this. I don’t get anything synthetic or anything, just fruits and florals. This is completely unisex. Summer/Spring. 8.5 out of 10.

blind bought from my friend who didn’t like it, sprayed it on skin and genuinely got wet. i like the sweeter scents for summer and this is perfect. everything i couldve hoped for and more. will be buying again.

Amazing scent, good performace for an extrait, NOT A SAFE BLIND BUY because it kinda smells like a vape but in the best way possible. Scent: 8,5/10 Performance: 8/10 Sillage: 7.5/10 Worth: 7/10 Total 8.6/10

This is just magnificent in every way!. Boozy, fruity, juicy summer frag. This is truly 1 of the greatest summer fruit scents I've ever smelt

This is amazing and long-lasting with projection. This is in my Top 10 for Life. The price and quality are worth the entire experience. 10/10

Such a happy fruity cocktail ibiza summer bomb fragrance! This is 10/10!!!! Worth the price and perfect for her and he❤️🔥

Smells amazing, but it lasts around 5 hours. for me, it isn't that good. overall i think it is really unique.

I've managed to get a sample and to me it's smells of straight up Juicy Hubba Bubba Bubblegum.

feminine but very good sweet grapy juicy fruit basket must for summer

A mix fruit with gum Shisha! This is how it smells like

i want to drink it, easy money. 10/10

the name is on point, this is amazing

Smells like a strong wine with fruit

Full bottle worthy .. really nice

Sun-gria is one of those fragrances that makes you want to smile the moment you put it on. It’s sunny, fruity, but with a well-defined character. It transports you to a vivid scene: a summer aperitif on a terrace, the sun slowly setting, a chilled glass in hand, and that scent in the air—blending fruit, light spices, and a hint of euphoria. It opens with a burst of citrus energy, bright and sparkling—but it doesn’t stop at surface-level freshness. There’s something spicy and aromatic right underneath that gives it rhythm, depth, and that subtle detail that tells you this isn’t your typical sweet summer scent. The heart is juicy and full-bodied, built around ripe fruit notes that never become cloying. It gives the impression of fresh juice—fruit just cut and left to macerate with a touch of rosé and wine-like nuance. There’s even a hint of well-made sangria in the air—it makes you thirsty, in the best way. As it develops, it warms up. Softer, almost creamy notes emerge, adding roundness and helping the fragrance linger on the skin. Is it sweet? Yes—but never too much. There’s a solid structure underneath, keeping everything balanced and letting the whole composition evolve smoothly. You can wear Sun-gria all year round without hesitation. It’s got enough brightness for spring, enough warmth for autumn, and in winter it offers that refreshing lift we sometimes need. But in summer, it truly shines in the evening—when the heat fades and you want something that matches your relaxed mood and desire for effortless lightness, with style. Sun-gria is a fragrance that knows how to have fun—but never loses its head. It’s full of energy, with a beautiful soul inside. And yes, it leaves an impression.

This to me is a mix of Tom Ford's Black Orchid, sangria wine, bubble gum powder on the wrapper, and red/black juicy fruits, with a side of Judith Leiber Night Judith Leiber cinnamon vibes in it. What comes to mind taking this scent in: A woman wearing a red mini skirt, black fishnet stockings, red patent high heels, and black leather jacket. She's trashy but sexy. She's drinking sangria while sitting on a red velvet couch in a dim boozy incense filled room. She smiles as her man comes into the room with a new bottle of Sangria, bc eff it, who cares what you're drinking when you're already tipsy. He fills her glass, and grabs a grape from the tray next to them puts it in his mouth, leans in to kiss her and brusts the grape in her mouth. Kisses her, he takes a sip of her wine, and has her drink it from his mouth. She playully grabs his face by his masculine jaw and with just the tips of her 80s red nail polished nails pulls him closer to her. Their bodies are salty sweaty and sticky from the sweet wine and the room is smokey due to the incense, with spices and fallen fruits on the floor. This fragrance is both trashy and sexy and lasts all night. Once in a while it's fun, not an everyday or to the office scent at all. Hope this helps ツ

This is an assortment of fruits thrown into a cooler, bottles of grape juice dumped on top, finished with a pound of sugar and a pound of starburst thrown on top. With a few sliced oranges thrown in as a garnish. The opening blast is starburst and as that toned down I really get the blood orange pushing to the top which manages to keep the fragrance somewhat fresh and stop it from smelling like a cold weather gourmand. This is surprisingly unisex for how fruity and sweet it is and the perfect fragrance for a summer party. I smell this and imagine a guy with the loudest Hawaiian shirt you’ve ever seen, drunk out of his mind at a beach late in the evening

I really enjoy this scent. This definitely reminds me of Sangria and holidays to Portugal. It’s a really nice tropical, fruit punch to me. I would say it is actually quite a unique. It’s sunny, bright and happy scent. I don’t get any funky notes, bubblegum or gummy bears, and there’s no cinamon in this fragrance either. Some of these reviews just don’t match this scent at all. Maybe dodgy samples? I’m undecided if this is a scent I’d want to wear personally. I do really like it, so will have to spend more time testing this in summer. At the moment I don’t love it enough to buy a full bottle, unless it was on sale.

It’s the early 90’s and you’ve been invited to a pool party! The speakers blast the latest TLC single from the windows they’ve been turned toward, blending with shrieks of laughter emanating from the pool. You can barely see the water for all the brightly coloured inflatables and half naked bodies bobbing on its surface. Your ex is there but so’s your new crush; everybody is! Someone’s spiked the fruit punch. The teenagers are sneaking cups, their lips dyed guilty red. An abandoned popsicle makes a small orange puddle on the decking and the sun is just beginning to set. It may not be classy but it sure is fun.

A unique fruity scent, has very interesting feminine and masculine facets at the same time. Sweet, fruity but also complex (look at that list of notes), it has some nuance of a resinous pine cone or mango flesh right next to the mango seed. Then further in the dry down it smells like sweet piss, but only very briefly, not in an offensive way. Performs well. A lovely scent overall, but not nice enough to be full bottle worthy, at least for me. Still worth trying, ad it is nice and unique.

This one starts bright, citrusy and fruity , with very distinctive wine notes ,projection is very good for about 10 minutes on my skin...that’s it, after that projecting takes a deep dive and stays very close to my skin for a long time. After a couple of hours it turns in to a musky fruity scent that lasts another 5-6 hours. An absolutely gorgeous fragrance with a very high price per ml and a lacking performance, I’ll let it macerate for several weeks and see if there’s any improvement.

Ok maybe this one doesn't sit on my skin as much as on others. An amazing expression. fruity, sweet, perfect for warm weather, very good quality. Crazy good for summer days. At the drydown citruses retreat and you get amazing sandalwood and vanilla notes. But the thing is it has almost intimate sillage. No one could smell it unless they came really close to me. So as an extrait..I don't know man.. but overall it is very very good.

This is it! An unique fruit bomb kind of scent, and a very boozy one - I might add. Really really sweet, almost too much for me - the fruits combined with the wine really sweeten the entire formulation. Longevity & sillage are kinda beast mode for a "summer scent". I will have to get used to this scent because as of right now, I don't think I would wear it becauae of the boozyness and the overdose of fruity sweetness.

Delicious summery scent with an extensive note pyramid that smells somewhere between Juicy Fruit gum, mulled wine, and an actual sangria. Mostly fruity with some floral backbone. Reminds me of another fruity/floral wine scent, Dom Rosa Millésimé by Les Liquides Imaginaires. I would absolutely drink something that tastes how this smells. Gets sickly sweet towards the end though, and starts leaning feminine.

Summer, sun, Amalfi Coast... this is very "Italian", Mediterranean perfume... I can smell red wine, cloves, raspberry, black currant...it dries down to powdery brown sugar smell... I wanted to smell my wrist over and over again and again ..Its more on a feminine side for me, its a very yummy and boozy...moderate longevity and moderate sillage but regardless, I love it, its a keeper.